The issue here isn't CCP, it's you the player. Either you have literally done everything there is to do in EVE, or you have blocked off certain parts of the sandbox because you find them uninteresting. Regardless, the issue is still you.

That's a very narrow definition of "content" that you follow.

In my mind, that's like discontinuing your subscription to a newspaper because the news isn't interesting.

KB

Sure. We can break it down, IMO, as content provided by CCP--e.g. missions.

Then there is content the players provide such as a fight between two or more players. What players do provide different levels of content for others.



By this narrow definition the bulk of the Eve patches have very little content. CCP has not seeded a single citadel for example. When a "new ship is added to the game" it is not added by CCP, not literally. The blueprint is, or a process to get a blueprint copy, but it takes a player to actually introduce these new ships.

So yes, you have a limited view of "content". If you are looking for "content" from CCP yes you'll be disappointed and leave. But then again this was never the game for you.

CCP didn't bring the interdictions, players did. CCP didn't organise and run burn jita events, players did. CCP didnt turn around and say ok we are now going to run the fall of the Imperium, players did that.

Non of that is in-game content

1. In chess you know everything about your opponent and he knows everything about you. In Eve that is probably not true.
2. In chess there are predefined movements and you each tack turns. In Eve there are no predefined movements and you can and often do act simultaneously.
3. There is not much room for innovation in chess. In Eve if you do something nobody has thought of before you can gain an advantage.

First off no it is not stupid. If I make a batch of T2 guns and players buy them and go have fun with them, I am helping them have fun....I am providing something not CCP. CCP provided the environment and the rules by which I could provide other players T2 guns, but CCP did not.

Your problem is you just don't understand what spontaneous order is. That is what this game is about. Let people into the game universe with some simple rules/mechanics and see what they do.

Coalitions, BTW are an example of spontaneous order. Rental empires in NS, more spontaneous order. Players getting together and coming up with things that do not have a mechanic in game that would ensure their existence.

Load of utter bullcrap.

Can chess pieces disappear? Can the rook light a cyno and call in 50 friends? Can one of your own pieces turn on you and take your king? No!?!?!

My goodness.

Yes, I already noted that. You are not quite keeping up are you. See that sentence where I wrote, "CCP provided the environment and rules..."?

My doing something in game that allows other players to do something in game...presumably we both find those thing enjoyable...that's content. Doesn't matter if I provide it or CCP. In fact, with CCP not providing it and leaving it up to players it creates all sorts of opportunities for additional player interaction...like CODE. trying to gank my JF or some such.

Okay, how come only CCP can provide content? What is to stop players from providing content--i.e. things to do in game?

What the **** do you call it then?

If CCP gives you something to do in game....oooohhh it is content. Wow.

A player gives you something to do in game and it is.....? Shall we call Beverly?

So we are going to ignore the fact that CCP also calls it player made content?

So far its only two of you not calling it content.

and explained that your position is also ridiculous. *everything in the game - player made or CCP made - is content*.

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Basically you heard somebody saying the swimming pool is full of liquid...and you've spent several pages arguing and trying to convince him that "NO no no no no it isn't full of liquid...its full of...um....that other thing....But DEFINITELY NOT LIQUID!!!"

If your point was that they were correct, but vague - and that they should use more precise wording...Then you should have said it. Not argued that their word was "wrong".

It's strange how eve player think they create content by simply playing the game. Maybe it's just a lack of vocabulary...

Players create actions, activities or opportunities but not content. The only people who great content in EVE are the developers.

For me it is important to make the distinction because I have just cancelled my subscription and was asked to give a reason why - I selected "lack of content". This is not me saying there are not enough players doing things in game, it is me saying "I am bored with what CCP has put in the game".

Players swim in water, but do not add water! The only people who add water in EVE are the developers.